Legislature(1999 - 2000)

03/31/2000 01:45 PM House FIN

Audio Topic
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
txt
HOUSE BILL NO. 319                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
An Act providing for and relating to the issuance of                                                                            
state guaranteed transportation revenue anticipation                                                                            
bonds for the purpose of paying the cost of                                                                                     
transportation projects that qualify for federal                                                                                
highway aid and the allocation of those bond proceeds;                                                                          
and providing for an effective date.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
JOSEPH PERKINS, COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION                                                                      
AND PUBLIC UTILITIES, stated the State's ability to expand,                                                                     
diversify and strengthen our economy through improved                                                                           
transportation could be enhanced through the mechanism                                                                          
provided in the proposed legislation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
This year, we have an opportunity to expedite construction                                                                      
of some large and much needed highway projects through a                                                                        
relatively new federally approved funding mechanism.  The                                                                       
mechanism allows states to acquire full bond funding for                                                                        
projects ahead of the usual schedule of annual federal                                                                          
allocations.  The National Highway System (NHS) Act of 1995                                                                     
revised Title 23 and lifted limitations on the use of                                                                           
federal highway funds for bond issuance and debt service by                                                                     
making the costs eligible for federal-aid reimbursement.                                                                        
Essentially, the State would be borrowing to build projects                                                                     
now and paying back with future federal money.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Perkins commented that HB 319 is a $350 million                                                                    
accelerated transportation bond initiative that would allow                                                                     
the State to take advantage of the new federally authorized                                                                     
flexibility like other states have done.  Alaska will be                                                                        
about to enjoy the economic and safety benefits of projects                                                                     
now, by selling bonds funded by the flow of future federal                                                                      
dollars.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Perkins stated that it is anticipated that debt                                                                    
service payments on the bonds will amount to approximately                                                                      
10% of our annual highway program, which will be between                                                                        
$35-$37 million dollars per year.  HB 319 calls for the                                                                         
issuance of general obligation bonds because our State                                                                          
Constitution requires a vote of the people for the State to                                                                     
incur long term debt. The bonds will be paid with future                                                                        
federal funds but will be backed by the full faith and                                                                          
credit of the State's general fund.  The backing will give                                                                      
the State an excellent bond rating which translates into                                                                        
good interest rates.  He noted that the bond market has                                                                         
embraced these bonds in other states.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
It is anticipated that within the first three years, there                                                                      
will be enough investment earnings to cover the full State                                                                      
general fund match requirement.  It is expected to save                                                                         
approximately $48 million dollars in general funds, which                                                                       
will still satisfy the arbitrage restrictions of the Internal                                                                   
Revenue Service (IRS).                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Perkins enumerated that in addition to the                                                                         
substantial savings in general fund there are many benefits                                                                     
to the bond initiative:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
? First:  Money is saved because we avoid the cost of                                                                           
construction inflation by building projects now instead                                                                         
of years into the future.  This helps offset the interest                                                                       
paid on bonds.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
? Second:  The money will fund large, capital intensive                                                                         
projects without affecting smaller projects. Level debt                                                                         
service evens the flow of federal funds for projects                                                                            
throughout the State by avoiding the peaks and valleys in                                                                       
funding large projects most recently experienced with the                                                                       
building of the $80 million dollar Kennicott ferry.  The                                                                        
impact on projects for rest of the State was substantial                                                                        
when that vessel was funded.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
? Third:  It will allow the Department to do critical                                                                           
projects that are needed now to address safety,                                                                                 
congestion and economic output rather than wait years for                                                                       
the projects to be funded.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
? Fifth:  It would increase the percentage of work being                                                                        
contracted to the private sector for design.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
? Sixth:  It does not negatively impact the current                                                                             
Statewide Transportation Improvement Program (STIP).                                                                            
Debt service payments would not start until September                                                                           
2003.  In fact, it could allow some projects further out                                                                        
in the STIP to be advanced.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Perkins continued, the accelerated                                                                                 
transportation bond package includes 11 specific projects in                                                                    
different regions of the State.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He noted that congestion is a major problem in Anchorage.                                                                       
It will be reduced with two major construction projects                                                                         
utilizing this financing.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
(TAPE CHANGE, HFC 00 - 96, Side 2).                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Perkins noted that the first project would be                                                                      
Glenn Highway near Merrill Field.  The bottleneck there is                                                                      
due to the fact that we have six lanes narrowing to four                                                                        
lanes and then widening to six lanes again.  We will be                                                                         
spending $65 million to reconstruct the Glenn Highway from                                                                      
Gambell Street to McCarrey, as recommended in the Anchorage                                                                     
Metropolitan Area Transportation Study (AMATS) 1991 long                                                                        
range transportation plan.  The project will consist of                                                                         
adding capacity and new interchanges to improve the flow of                                                                     
traffic into and out of downtown Anchorage.  The                                                                                
construction should begin in summer of 2003.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Perkins continued, the second Anchorage project                                                                    
is the upgrade of C-Street. The first phase of that project                                                                     
has already been completed, which was the portion from Tudor                                                                    
Road to Potter Drive.  Phase II of the C-Street                                                                                 
reconstruction will add 2 new lanes from Potter Drive to                                                                        
Dimond Blvd., including lighting and pedestrian facilities.                                                                     
The Department will construct a new road link south of                                                                          
Dimond to Minnesota Drive.  Construction of this phase will                                                                     
begin in 2001.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The final phase of the C-street reconstruction is the                                                                           
extension from Dimond to Minnesota.  The Department will be                                                                     
constructing four lanes from Dimond to Minnesota, including                                                                     
a separated railroad crossing on C Street.  We will also be                                                                     
constructing interchanges at C Street and Minnesota, and                                                                        
O'Malley and Old Seward.  Construction of this phase will                                                                       
begin in 2002. The second and third phases will cost a total                                                                    
of $70 million.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Perkins noted that a major project in the Mat-                                                                     
Su area will consist of constructing an interchange at the                                                                      
intersection of the Glenn Highway and the Parks Highway,                                                                        
which will tie in with the construction now underway from                                                                       
the Parks/Glenn Intersection to Wasilla.  Additionally, the                                                                     
Department will be adding four lanes and upgrading the Glenn                                                                    
Highway from the interchange all the way into Palmer.                                                                           
Construction of this phase will begin in 2002 and the                                                                           
project will cost $60 million dollars.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder agreed that the Gamble Street to McGeary                                                                        
projects needs to happen.  He asked how long would it take                                                                      
to address the widening without the legislation.                                                                                
Commissioner Perkins stated that it would take ten years.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder did not believe that funding the problem                                                                        
would make it go away.  He asked if the property would be                                                                       
purchased.  Commissioner Perkins stated that it would, and                                                                      
that they would be able to buy it all at once.  He conceded                                                                     
that there are ways of procuring properties.   Commissioner                                                                     
Perkins stated that the right of way is a very expensive                                                                        
item.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde asked if the decline in the State's                                                                            
population growth had been considered.  Commissioner Perkins                                                                    
replied that had been taken into account, however, to                                                                           
accommodate the current crisis, it should have been                                                                             
addressed a couple of years ago.  He stressed that more cars                                                                    
are being purchased even though there is a reduction in                                                                         
population.  Additionally, the Department must move the                                                                         
commercial traffic from outside of Anchorage.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde recommended that more change need to be                                                                        
made than just adding more lanes.  Commissioner Perkins                                                                         
proposed that the State takes a good look at "commuter rail"                                                                    
systems to implement a good, high-speed service.                                                                                
Alternative methods need to be investigated and constructed.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde pointed out that the proposed idea uses                                                                        
money that the State does not have.  He asked if the                                                                            
Commissioner foresaw the State needing to back the bonds at                                                                     
some point in time.  Commissioner Perkins did not foresee                                                                       
that occurring as long as there is a federal gas tax.  The                                                                      
bonds could not be issued for any other kind of federal                                                                         
receipts because we do not have trust funds.  The reason                                                                        
that these funds became available was because U.S.Congress                                                                      
passed a law stating that the trust fund had to be spent                                                                        
down.  He emphasized that Senator Stevens cannot under                                                                          
appropriated.  This is what interests the bond people.                                                                          
There is a guaranteed level of appropriation which brought                                                                      
Wall Street into the program.  Commissioner Perkins advised                                                                     
that the worst thing that could happen would be less                                                                            
gasoline use in the United States.  That revenue will come                                                                      
into the trust fund.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Perkins added that our share could come down                                                                       
with less driving in the U.S. or Congress repealing the gas                                                                     
tax.  Vice Chair Bunde clarified that the intent was to take                                                                    
ten years of construction and fold it down into a three to                                                                      
four year project.  Commissioner Perkins referenced the                                                                         
handout distributed to Committee members.  [Copy on File].                                                                      
He stated that the amount of money being requested for this                                                                     
project is not that much. The Corp of Engineers has no                                                                          
problem with the proposal, nor does the engineering                                                                             
community.  It will not supercede any other projects. There                                                                     
are many different kinds of contractors.  He did not see a                                                                      
major impact.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies commented on the different types of                                                                    
contractors.  He added that by putting out the bond provides                                                                    
a certainty for our contractors planning.  He believed that                                                                     
the bonding approach would help.  Representative J. Davies                                                                      
pointed out that if the State waits for 10 years, there                                                                         
would be more encroachments and ultimately it will be more                                                                      
expensive to build.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Perkins noted that the Department was working                                                                      
on three projects in the Fairbanks area. The first is                                                                           
University Avenue.  This $20 million project will consist of                                                                    
widening University Avenue to 5 lanes, intersection                                                                             
improvements at University and Geist Road, a separated                                                                          
railroad crossing, and the widening of the Chena River                                                                          
Bridge.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The second Fairbanks project is the reconstruction of                                                                           
Illinois and Barnette streets.  This $25 million project                                                                        
will improve traffic flow to Downtown Fairbanks and will                                                                        
include sidewalks and landscaping and a new bridge across                                                                       
the Chena River.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The final Fairbanks project is a reconstruction of downtown                                                                     
Fairbanks streets.  Downtown Fairbanks is experiencing major                                                                    
infrastructure investments, including a new courthouse and a                                                                    
new hotel.  This $10 million project will complement that                                                                       
investment and will include major improvements to streets,                                                                      
sidewalks, lighting, and landscaping in downtown Fairbanks.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies reinforced that cleaning up the                                                                        
University Avenue Bridge area is an important safety issue.                                                                     
He noted that area is the main bicycle connector and is a                                                                       
major safety concern at this time.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative G. Davis inquired about the money going to                                                                       
the downtown streets in Fairbanks.  He asked who maintained                                                                     
that work.  Commissioner Perkins replied that project was                                                                       
like the one on 5th and 6th Streets in Anchorage. The                                                                           
Department does maintain them.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Phillips pointed out that the Legislature is                                                                     
receiving "mixed messages" from the Mat-Su area.  Those                                                                         
residents want to "cut government to the bone" while at the                                                                     
same time, demand that these types of projects be funded in                                                                     
their area.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Perkins noted that the Alaska Marine Highway                                                                       
System is undergoing major changes as the Department                                                                            
implements the Southeast Alaska Transportation Plan,                                                                            
bringing that system to a new level of service and                                                                              
efficiency with the addition of new shuttle ferries that                                                                        
will travel faster and more often.  He noted that a new                                                                         
shuttle ferry to service Sitka would be ordered this fall.                                                                      
Two more are included in this bond package to accelerate the                                                                    
implementation of the plan.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Perkins pointed out that one of the new ferries                                                                    
would serve in the north Lynn Canal, in and out of Juneau.                                                                      
The other ferry will serve travelers between Ketchikan and                                                                      
Wrangell.  These ferries will follow the initial shuttle                                                                        
design so that they can be easily redeployed where needed.                                                                      
The long-term viability of the Marine Highway System is                                                                         
dependent on the use of these smaller more efficient shuttle                                                                    
vessels.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Perkins stated that the Department also has a                                                                      
few important rural projects in the bond package.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
? In Kotzebue, reconstructing Shore Avenue and upgrading                                                                        
Ted Stevens Way.  Shore Avenue.  The project provides                                                                           
beach protection and enhancements such as                                                                                       
bicycle/pedestrian accommodations and viewing platforms.                                                                        
Ted Stevens Way, approximately 2 miles of upgrade                                                                               
including grade raining, widening, drainage and                                                                                 
surfacing, with minor erosion protection in the tidal                                                                           
area and accommodation of bicycle/pedestrian traffic.                                                                           
? In Nome, rehabilitating Bering, Seppala, and Front                                                                            
Streets which includes minor drainage improvements and                                                                          
enhancements along Front St. such as sidewalk widening,                                                                         
lighting and scenic overlook with historical and                                                                                
interpretive signs.                                                                                                             
? In Bethel, releveling and paving Chief Eddie Hoffman                                                                          
Highway.                                                                                                                        
? In Dillingham, paving 15 miles of the Dillingham to                                                                           
Aleknagik Road, and includes Aleknagik Lake Wayside and                                                                         
trailhead parking lot.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Perkins commented, why did the Department                                                                          
choose these projects, because they are needed.  These                                                                          
projects are ones that can be built within 5-6 years and                                                                        
most are large dollar projects.  They represent the diverse                                                                     
transportation needs of this State.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Perkins advised that the Department hopes to                                                                       
make more investment earnings than needed for the match, so                                                                     
the additional amount can be used to pay debt service,                                                                          
thereby, reducing the impact on future STIPS.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Perkins noted that the State could handle this                                                                     
much engineering and construction in a short period of time.                                                                    
He stated that to ask the contractors, labor leaders, and                                                                       
consulting firms, the State typically receives 3-5 bids on                                                                      
each of our construction projects.  He concluded that there                                                                     
is sufficient competition.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if all the projects included in the                                                                       
list had been included in the STIP.  Commissioner Perkins                                                                       
replied that they were not all included.  Co-Chair Mulder                                                                       
inquired which projects were not included.  Commissioner                                                                        
Perkins replied the intersection in Palmer, Wasilla, the C                                                                      
Street interchange, the Fairbanks Downtown project, and the                                                                     
two shuttle ferries.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if these projects were "on line" and                                                                      
ready to go.  Commissioner Perkins replied that they are not                                                                    
all ready to go, but there has been sufficient work done on                                                                     
each of them and that they could come up quickly.  Co-Chair                                                                     
Mulder asked if they had local support.  Commissioner                                                                           
Perkins replied that they are mostly supported but noted                                                                        
that it is impossible to get total support on any project.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder grilled Commissioner Perkins on the support                                                                     
for the fast ferries.  Commissioner Perkins replied that                                                                        
they were recommended and included in the Southeast Plan.                                                                       
They were "bought into" by all the communities in Southeast                                                                     
Alaska.   Nothing proposed was not included in that plan.                                                                       
He reiterated that there is a lot of support for the fast                                                                       
ferries in Southeast.  Commissioner Perkins noted that there                                                                    
was a letter included in the member's file from Mayor Egan,                                                                     
Juneau, indicating Juneau's support for the ferries.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if there was a preference for the                                                                         
ferries over a road.  Commissioner Perkins remarked that                                                                        
concern has become confused with the fast ferries.  He                                                                          
stressed that the Department does not have the money to do                                                                      
the road.  The Department has indicated that the road is the                                                                    
preferable way to go, but the Department elects not to fund                                                                     
the road right now.  Regardless, a road would not be                                                                            
completed for ten years.  The option before the Committee is                                                                    
to take the shuttle ferry and put it on the route, with the                                                                     
Malaspina.  That fast vessel could ultimately be used in                                                                        
other places in the State.  Currently, the Department is                                                                        
working on a Prince Williams Sound Plan, which would include                                                                    
a fast ferry and get rid of some of the older vessels.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
(TAPE CHANGE HFC 00 - 97, Side 1).                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder voiced concern that the "road of fast                                                                           
ferries" would end up costing the State the same amount as a                                                                    
road.  Commissioner Perkins spoke to the routes which the                                                                       
fast ferries would navigate.  When the Prince William Sound                                                                     
Plan is complete, there will be a recommendation for doing                                                                      
things differently.  The oldest boat on that run is the                                                                         
Bartlett and it is the most expensive boat to run.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder suggested that it would be more cost                                                                            
efficient to try one fast ferry first before buying two.                                                                        
Commissioner Perkins responded that if these were new state                                                                     
of the art boats, that would be a major consideration,                                                                          
however, they are not.  He enumerated the design and the                                                                        
efficiency of these boats and the places that they are                                                                          
currently being successfully used.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT J. DOLL, GENERAL MANAGER, FERRY OPERATIONS, SOUTHEAST                                                                    
REGION, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES,                                                                     
stated that the value to high speed is a long distance.  The                                                                    
shorter the distances become, the less the value.  He                                                                           
pointed out the large distance between the communities in                                                                       
Southeast Alaska.  He reiterated that the only way to handle                                                                    
that concern is with speed.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder concurred with Senator Torgerson, who has                                                                       
stated that there must be improved service at less cost.                                                                        
Mr. Doll noted that there has been a comparison in the cost                                                                     
of operating the high-speed ferry and the Malaspina in Lynn                                                                     
Canal.  On that route, the high-speed ferry burned fuel at                                                                      
$2500 dollars; the Malaspina used $2000 dollars worth.                                                                          
However, in that same period of time, crew costs were much                                                                      
less on the high-speed ferry.  The technology of the high-                                                                      
speed ferry not only allows the system to get the passengers                                                                    
where they want to go quickly, but it also reduces the cost                                                                     
of operating the Alaska Marine Highway System.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked which ferries would be taken off line.                                                                    
Captain Doll responded that the most likely one would be the                                                                    
Bartlett in the summer of 2002; the Aurora would be                                                                             
substituted for that ferry. The other ships have been                                                                           
projected out for a ten-year period.  If the fast ferry was                                                                     
operating year round, the mainliners would be operating only                                                                    
in the summertime.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if the Department could guarantee that                                                                    
the operating costs for the Marine Highway would go down                                                                        
from where they are currently at.  Captain Doll stated that                                                                     
he could not guarantee it for the first year of operation,                                                                      
but that he could for subsequent years.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf interjected that the Southeast                                                                       
communities do support the fast ferry.  He noted that the                                                                       
fast ferry system would not be just for Juneau, as it                                                                           
services most of the other communities.  The Alaska Marine                                                                      
Highway System is an entire ferry road system.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Vice Chair Bunde inquired the size of the fast ferry crews.                                                                     
Captain Doll replied that there must be a competent ship                                                                        
operator, which presents a "challenge".  The State needs to                                                                     
hold on to that personnel during the wintertime while they                                                                      
are "laying over".  Discussion has been started with the                                                                        
Unions, and they have expressed their support to this                                                                           
effort.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder questioned the financing element and paying                                                                     
off the bonds.  He asked the amount of "lost opportunity"                                                                       
resulting from the years of paying off these bonds.                                                                             
Commissioner Perkins replied that the match is paid with the                                                                    
payment.  The match each year would be part of the $35                                                                          
million dollars.  He added that $3.5 million dollars would                                                                      
be saved each year through a reduction in the match                                                                             
requirement.  He pointed out that this is State money.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
FRANK DILLON, (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE), ALASKA                                                                            
TRUCKING ASSOCIATION, ANCHORAGE, testified in support of the                                                                    
legislation. He maintained that the legislation is a good                                                                       
deal and acknowledged that there would be minimal risk for a                                                                    
large payoff.   He noted that there are a lot of projects                                                                       
with strong social value which would receive wide support.                                                                      
He interjected that traffic problems could be solved by                                                                         
adding lanes. Mr. Dillion pointed out that the match is                                                                         
almost the same as that collected through fuel taxes.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BLAKE JOHNSON, (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE), LABOR UNION,                                                                     
ANCHORAGE, spoke in support of the legislation.  He stressed                                                                    
that the legislation would provide a prudent way of letting                                                                     
voters decide to fund the roads.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DICK CATTANACH, (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE), ASSOCIATED                                                                      
GENERAL CONTRACTORS, ANCHORAGE, testified in support of the                                                                     
proposed legislation.  He maintained that the legislation                                                                       
provides a good solution at almost no cost.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
In response to a question by Co-Chair Therriault, Mr.                                                                           
Cattanach commented that there is possibility that the                                                                          
economy could become "overheated". He stressed that the                                                                         
general contracting members have the capability to do the                                                                       
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault asked if the fast ferries could be                                                                          
removed from the package, while still addressing the                                                                            
regional concerns.  Commissioner Perkins responded that                                                                         
there is not that much left to accomplish in Southeast                                                                          
Alaska for the three year STIP.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder questioned the North Douglas access project.                                                                    
Commissioner Perkins observed that there is money available                                                                     
for the North Douglas access.   That money has been made                                                                        
available to the City and Borough of Juneau.  He emphasized                                                                     
that the State does not have anything to do with the                                                                            
project.  That is a City project, other than passing to                                                                         
them, the earmarked funds.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JOHN WHITLEY, (TESTIFIED VIA TELECONFERENCE), LEGISLATIVE                                                                       
CHAIR, ASSOCIATED GENERAL CONTRACTORS (AGC), ANCHORAGE,                                                                         
testified in support of the legislation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
In response to a question by Co-Chair Mulder, Captain Doll                                                                      
noted that current contracts do not specifically address the                                                                    
kinds of operative concepts that are in place.  He stated                                                                       
that he would want a commitment from the ferry out of Sitka,                                                                    
to live in Sitka and not to bid out of that assignment as                                                                       
other crews have done. Those kinds of work rules have not                                                                       
yet been put in place.  He added that they are also                                                                             
considering a 40-hour workweek.  Concerns such as these will                                                                    
be embodied in a contract.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if it would be dangerous to                                                                               
appropriate the contracts at this time.  Captain Doll                                                                           
replied that it could be written as a new contract or it                                                                        
could be supplemental to the current contracts.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder requested a ten-year cost projection from                                                                       
the Department of how the additional ferry would result in                                                                      
reduced costs. Captain Doll stressed that it would be                                                                           
difficult to match revenues to the costs of operating the                                                                       
old ships.  He stressed that the State of Alaska needs to                                                                       
get away from labor intensive ships.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf interjected that the cost for a                                                                      
single lane highway mile amounts to approximately $4,000                                                                        
dollars in maintenance costs.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Perkins stressed that the Southeast Plan has                                                                       
been under consideration for four years. The high-speed                                                                         
ferries are part of the implementation of that plan. He                                                                         
stressed that the quicker the plan is implemented, the                                                                          
faster the benefits would be available.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault expressed concern that maintenance is                                                                       
being deferred by new projects. Commissioner Perkins                                                                            
explained that there are $30 million dollars in maintenance                                                                     
costs and that "patching and paving" can reduce maintenance                                                                     
costs which are being prioritized.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
HB 319 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects